The trade deficit numbers are also bogus.....
Take just education alone. Foreigners spend billions every year to send themselves and/or their children to the US for an education. Since the colleges are in the US (how could you move them) they do not count as an export. But they are the same thing. Foreigers spending their money for US goods and services, instead of spending it on their own local education. Their money is leaving their country to the US; no different than buying something manufactured in the US.
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The other big (NON) US export that makes the trade figures bogus is healthcare. Billions are spent annually by foreigners in the US for healthcare they cannot get at home.
Gilbert....I'll bet you did not know that the Ontario government alone spent US$67.4 Million of your tax money on US healthcare between 1999 and 2002.
Gilbert....I'll bet you did not know that the Ontario government alone spent US$67.4 Million of your tax money on US healthcare between 1999 and 2002.
Nick,
I just got the BC202 on Monday, so things are still breaking-in, but so far it is excellent! To my ears, it takes whatever short-comings of the BC28 and fixes them, resulting in a sophisticated and harmonically rich sound that has weight, speed, and impact (if the BC28 has any shortcomings, it is that the bass, while good, is not as tight or impactful as it could be). The tonal balance is definitely needing some time to break-in...it was good Monday, not so good yesterday, and very good today, with the most notable improvements coming in the seamlessness as you move from mid-bass to mid-range. I expect that in a week this will be sounding superb.
At this point, my opinion is that for people whom I have directed to the BC26mkII for more weight and muscle, I will likely now steer to the BC202.
Compared to the BC206...well...the BC206 is much better... B)
I'll post more thoughts on it next week in the BC202 thread so that people don't think it was made in China...
I just got the BC202 on Monday, so things are still breaking-in, but so far it is excellent! To my ears, it takes whatever short-comings of the BC28 and fixes them, resulting in a sophisticated and harmonically rich sound that has weight, speed, and impact (if the BC28 has any shortcomings, it is that the bass, while good, is not as tight or impactful as it could be). The tonal balance is definitely needing some time to break-in...it was good Monday, not so good yesterday, and very good today, with the most notable improvements coming in the seamlessness as you move from mid-bass to mid-range. I expect that in a week this will be sounding superb.
At this point, my opinion is that for people whom I have directed to the BC26mkII for more weight and muscle, I will likely now steer to the BC202.
Compared to the BC206...well...the BC206 is much better... B)
I'll post more thoughts on it next week in the BC202 thread so that people don't think it was made in China...
Nick
You have missed Mary Lou big time. She was such a sweet heart at the CES.
When we take her out of the box tomorrow, may be we can take a picture and put it on etc.
Sugarbrie
All lite, you win. For all these ooot sourcing and how much I "like" it, I have to admit we ooot source too. Since we have a hard time to find anything in Innerkip that is cheap enough. We oot source from New Dundee, Kitchener and Cambridge Ontario. We even go all the way to Toronto sometime when we must. And sometime force to oot source from US of A too. That's really tough, you know. So we ooot source too.
The only thing cheap in Innerkip these day is snow and they are hard to train.
You see, I keep trying to tell them not to stay on the ground and they don't listen to me. I don't know what to do with them. Ugh.........
I think I am going to stand at the corner with Dave for a while. :unsure:
You have missed Mary Lou big time. She was such a sweet heart at the CES.
When we take her out of the box tomorrow, may be we can take a picture and put it on etc.
Sugarbrie
All lite, you win. For all these ooot sourcing and how much I "like" it, I have to admit we ooot source too. Since we have a hard time to find anything in Innerkip that is cheap enough. We oot source from New Dundee, Kitchener and Cambridge Ontario. We even go all the way to Toronto sometime when we must. And sometime force to oot source from US of A too. That's really tough, you know. So we ooot source too.
The only thing cheap in Innerkip these day is snow and they are hard to train.
You see, I keep trying to tell them not to stay on the ground and they don't listen to me. I don't know what to do with them. Ugh......... I think I am going to stand at the corner with Dave for a while. :unsure:
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Gilbert, you're from China - sorry. It's either that or you're English. Same for folks from Macau - Chinese or Portugese, choose one!
Given the amount of workmanship involved in your products, you could definitely goose your margins several folds by outsourcing production. Would I buy a Boo Sirkol product made in China? If you put in top training and quality controls, and offer your BC206 for $3995, the answer would be an emphatic YES!
But on a more serious note - cheap stuff coming out of China is because of management. Not because it's made in China. If a company in the US is only interested in producing something cheap....that's what you're going to get. I don't care where it's made.
As for the comments made about our deficit. It's only so because we consume so damn much. Did you know that the US is the world's largest exporter? And we're still in a deficit. No country can keep up with our consumption. We should stop laying blame on others and save a little more.
Given the amount of workmanship involved in your products, you could definitely goose your margins several folds by outsourcing production. Would I buy a Boo Sirkol product made in China? If you put in top training and quality controls, and offer your BC206 for $3995, the answer would be an emphatic YES!
But on a more serious note - cheap stuff coming out of China is because of management. Not because it's made in China. If a company in the US is only interested in producing something cheap....that's what you're going to get. I don't care where it's made.
As for the comments made about our deficit. It's only so because we consume so damn much. Did you know that the US is the world's largest exporter? And we're still in a deficit. No country can keep up with our consumption. We should stop laying blame on others and save a little more.
bugleboy:
Gilbert is not (not!) from China. He's from Hong Kong. They are two radically different cultures.
Until 1999 Hong Kong was a British Crown Colony. They had a democratic government with a thriving free-market economy and culturally had considerably more in common with the western democracies than with China.
China, on the otherhand, is a repressive communist regime that superficially tolerates the free-market. In fact "cheap stuff comes out of China" because it's subsidized to undermine domestic manufacturers.. (see link at bottom of post) and if you remember Tienaman Square you know how they feel about democracy.
No comment on the deficit. I just do politics. I'll leave economics to my betters.
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Gilbert is not (not!) from China. He's from Hong Kong. They are two radically different cultures.
Until 1999 Hong Kong was a British Crown Colony. They had a democratic government with a thriving free-market economy and culturally had considerably more in common with the western democracies than with China.
China, on the otherhand, is a repressive communist regime that superficially tolerates the free-market. In fact "cheap stuff comes out of China" because it's subsidized to undermine domestic manufacturers.. (see link at bottom of post) and if you remember Tienaman Square you know how they feel about democracy.
No comment on the deficit. I just do politics. I'll leave economics to my betters.
aw
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Anyone with a unique product would be nuts to farm out production to China. They would just copy the technology and flood the market with copies. They have no respect for copyrights and patents.
I've worked before with athletic shoe companies that have used Asian production for years. They'll place an order for a million units of a shoe design of theirs; the asian company will make 1.2 million units and sell the other 200,000 on the black market...
The reason the Nike copies look so real is because they are real.....they're just extra production Nike does not know about...
I've worked before with athletic shoe companies that have used Asian production for years. They'll place an order for a million units of a shoe design of theirs; the asian company will make 1.2 million units and sell the other 200,000 on the black market...
The reason the Nike copies look so real is because they are real.....they're just extra production Nike does not know about...
Sigarbrie
It's not the gray market anymore, it is black now?!?!?!
So if I want something that carry a local brand but made in China, I should wait for a little while until Wal Mart carry them, right? 
"They have no respect for copyrights and patents." You are right but I will even go as far as the Chinese government encourage them to do so.
Have anyone noitces many American and European speakers manufacture has speakers similar to each other offer in the market these days? They are all made in China. Those factories made the speaker for one manufacture then add and cut a little in the same design, turn around and offer to another manufacture. That's why so many similar design are in the market these days.
Those amps built inside sub-woofer is another example.
As for Boo Sirkol All Dee Oh, I don't think I will have the patient to train those Chinese in China. I am having enough trouble to train those snow on the ground not to stay on the ground in the Chinatown district on Innerkip already. :rolleyes: B) <_<
Oh, BTW, Nike probably knows what's going on by now but they can't do anything about it. :ph34r:
It's not the gray market anymore, it is black now?!?!?!
So if I want something that carry a local brand but made in China, I should wait for a little while until Wal Mart carry them, right?
"They have no respect for copyrights and patents." You are right but I will even go as far as the Chinese government encourage them to do so.
Have anyone noitces many American and European speakers manufacture has speakers similar to each other offer in the market these days? They are all made in China. Those factories made the speaker for one manufacture then add and cut a little in the same design, turn around and offer to another manufacture. That's why so many similar design are in the market these days.
Those amps built inside sub-woofer is another example.
As for Boo Sirkol All Dee Oh, I don't think I will have the patient to train those Chinese in China. I am having enough trouble to train those snow on the ground not to stay on the ground in the Chinatown district on Innerkip already. :rolleyes: B) <_<
Oh, BTW, Nike probably knows what's going on by now but they can't do anything about it. :ph34r:
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Oh yeah, Nike knows. It is a cost of doing buiness. It was some Reebok people who clued me into it. They all just try to keep the copies out of the major markets.
What they do sometimes is hold back the release of a shoe they already have received from production. Then when it (the copies) shows up in stores before they've released their supply, they know who the bad dealers are, and they send in the Feds to arrest everyone.
What they do sometimes is hold back the release of a shoe they already have received from production. Then when it (the copies) shows up in stores before they've released their supply, they know who the bad dealers are, and they send in the Feds to arrest everyone.
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